Thursday, November 16, 2006

Life of Brian, David, Ernst, Fredrick and Ahmadinejad

One of Ahmdinejad’s great crimes is his supposed denial of the Jewish holocaust. This has incensed the Jewish and American World.

The fact that his statements are not denials makes little difference to his detractors. What the President of Iran says is made clear in this interview with Der Spiegel:

We are posing two very clear questions. The first is: Did the Holocaust actually take place? You answer this question in the affirmative. So, the second question is: Whose fault was it? The answer to that has to be found in Europe and not in Palestine. It is perfectly clear: If the Holocaust took place in Europe, one also has to find the answer to it in Europe.
On the other hand, if the Holocaust didn't take place, why then did this regime of occupation ...
SPIEGEL: ... You mean the state of Israel...

Ahmadinejad: ... come about? Why do the European countries commit themselves to defending this regime? Permit me to make one more point. We are of the opinion that, if an historical occurrence conforms to the truth, this truth will be revealed all the more clearly if there is more research into it and more discussion about it.

Other versions of Ahmadinijead’s view of the legitimacy of the Zionist Regime can be found here:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12790.htm

and in his letter to George W. Bush which I have posted previously.



Questioning the Holocaust is a serious offence in Germany, Switzerland, Austria and some other countries.

Consider the cases of David Irving, Ernst Zundel and Australian, Fredrick Töben .

In May, 1992, Irving told a German audience that the gas chamber shown to tourists at Auschwitz was "a fake built after the war."
In June, 1992, he was coming to Rome from Moscow. When the plane landed, it was surrounded by police and Irving was put on the next plane to Munich. He was charged under the German law of "defaming the memory of the dead" and fined 3,000DM.
He appealed the conviction and on subsequent appeals the conviction was upheld and the fine increased first to 10,000 and then to 30,000DM, or about $20,000. (The German
legal system provides for increasing the penalty on appeal.
Irving was not the victim of extralegal tactics, nor has he ever claimed this).
In all his appeals, Irving was not allowed to call the director of the Auschwitz museum as a witness to confirm his statement. (The Auschwitz gas chamber is, in fact, a reconstruction built after the war. No one at the Auschwitz museum denies this.)

Irving is currently serving three years in an Austrian prison on similar charges.

http://www.skepticfiles.org/skmag/m-holoc.htm

Zundel began serving time in a Canadian prison in 1984 for posing the question: “Did six million die?” The case was appealed twice and resulted in the repeal of the statute under which he was originally convicted.

In February 2003, Zundel was repatriated to Germany by extrajudicial rendition where he faces five years in prison.

http://www.skepticfiles.org/skmag/m-holoc.htm

At the conclusion of the three-day trial on November 10, 1999, a Mannheim district court found Fredrick Töben guilty on charges of incitement to racial hatred, insulting the memory of the dead, and public denial of genocide, because he had disputed Holocaust extermination claims in writings sent to persons in Germany. Presiding Judge Klaus Kern said that there is no doubt that Töben is guilty of "denying the Holocaust," and that because there is no sign that he would relent his views and activities, a prison sentence was required. The court then sentenced him to ten months imprisonment.

On the first day of the trial, November 8, Töben announced that he would not defend himself against the charges because by doing so he would likely be charged for additional violations of Germany's "Holocaust denial" and "incitement" laws. His lawyer, Ludwig Bock, similarly announced that he would offer no defense on behalf of Töben because he risked being charged himself. "If I say anything I will go to jail myself, and if he says anything there will be another trial," Bock told a reporter.
Prosecutor Klein later confirmed that such fears were entirely justified. "If they [Töben and Bock] had repeated things in this court which are against the law I would have charged them again," said Klein. Bock did however read a statement to the court that compared the prosecution of Töben and other "Holocaust deniers" to the trials of witches in the Middle Ages, and which called Germany's anti-revisionist laws a gross violation of the principle of freedom of speech.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v18/v18n4p-2_Toben.html

Monty Python’s “Life of Brian” has a scene reminiscent of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFhoiVV2JwE&mode=related&search=




Roper: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law.
More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil? Roper: I'd cut down every law in England to do that.
More: Oh? And when the last law was down--and the Devil turned round on you--where would you hide? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.

Robert Bolt : A Man for All Seasons

1 comment:

Anonymous said...

It seems that little has changed; sixty-odd years, a few hundred miles, and it is all coming back again. Like an old movie, "I think this is where we came in...."